if you ask the opponents of this law what they would do differently, their answer seems to be let's go back to the way things used to be. >> well that one's not true either. they may not like the g.o.p. plans but there are plans. you heard some right here. >> our approach the one that is patient based and allows for more flexibility for health savings accounts and people can purchase health care across state lines and a plan that had in it a safeguard for preexisting conditions but did not implement a plan that placed prices. >> why do they keep saying these things and we did not worry they would think about getting caught. karl rove joins us. great to see you. >> great to see you, greta. >> what is this? why are they saying this stuff? there's no contest that it's wrong. >> harry reid in particular is way out there. people have lost their policies between 5.4 and 6.2 million policies have been cancelled. that represents 10, 12, 14 million people. they got a cancellation letter. and the presidenting acknowledg it. he apologized for it. and harry reid comes back and says the president w